tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4259116390092226068.post1996333179649074480..comments2024-03-11T23:56:47.339-07:00Comments on OC Apologist - On Christ Apologetics: "Out of Nothing" or "Out of Something"Andy Wrasmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09404901729530244690noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4259116390092226068.post-23009756595535566312010-08-27T03:44:17.375-07:002010-08-27T03:44:17.375-07:00Yeah OC you're right, I was kind of trying to ...Yeah OC you're right, I was kind of trying to fit a full connected answer into what would have in reality been a reciprocal conversation.<br /><br />And I think you're right too David,I don't think pantheism is terribly irrational at all. I do think it happens to be incorrect, but if i didn't know what i know about the evidence for Christianity and had to make a guess about the nature of God, I think it would be a good guessAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4259116390092226068.post-59541546691941073932010-08-26T23:27:58.966-07:002010-08-26T23:27:58.966-07:00Well, after giving this some thought, I believe th...Well, after giving this some thought, I believe the pantheists position is not irrational. I am not saying I agree with his position, only that, his position is much stronger then what I first thought.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02902518433249553121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4259116390092226068.post-72245222102586514362010-08-26T13:47:52.408-07:002010-08-26T13:47:52.408-07:00I like that you took the approach of first acknowl...I like that you took the approach of first acknowledging that you found the perspective interesting. And since, the pantheist started the conversation in front of others, I'd probably ask a lot questions to figure out more on his perspective. I bet you would do the same ,Gaff, if you were there in person, instead of explaining all the possible meanings. Such as just saying, "Yea, that's an interesting perspective. I'm curious if we have the same understanding on these terms. What do you mean by "out of nothing" and "out of something"? <br /><br />I know we should try to avoid arguing and acting like as if we know it all, unless we run the risk of looking arragont, prideful, and religiously argumentative with a hot-head. I know you aren't doing this. I like how you approached this by saying if God made the universe out of himself God must not be eternal.Andy Wrasmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09404901729530244690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4259116390092226068.post-7516174606360906742010-08-25T23:04:24.396-07:002010-08-25T23:04:24.396-07:00I'd probably say something like:
"That&#...I'd probably say something like:<br /><br />"That's a very interesting perspective, I like that. but i think we may be talking about two different things here. When I say I believe God made the universe "Out of nothing" I mean there was no pre-existing material, no atoms no molecules, nothing that weighed anything, he invented the very idea of 'stuff'. <br /><br />I think when you say you believe God made the universe out of himself you are referring to his spirit, his essence. And I can't say I disagree with you about that, I don't know anyone who can create anything good without giving their heart to it, (figuratively of course)<br /><br />Now if you mean literally, "Doesn't it make more sense that god used matter from himself to create the universe out of" well then I'd have to respond: "No, that doesn't make more sense to me, if God was made of matter then according to Einstein he'd be subject to the laws of time and physics and then he couldn't be eternal. We'd need some other god to create him out of nothing!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com